Comments on: The Fuss Over Grids and CSS Frameworks http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/ Web Design + Development Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:00:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Pablo http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2394 Pablo Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:19:58 +0000 http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2394 Css framework save you time. (Period) Css framework save you time. (Period)

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]]> By: Be a Good Daughter http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2392 Be a Good Daughter Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:32:44 +0000 http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2392 Hello this article is amazing. I like your diary.. Thanks Hello this article is amazing.
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]]> By: Suzanne of New Affiliate Discoveries http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2391 Suzanne of New Affiliate Discoveries Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:53:43 +0000 http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2391 Darren, Your site is the first I've come across the term "grid based layouts". But as an informational graphic artist for the Daily Collegian at Penn State (many, many years ago), the idea of the basic grid based layout being applied to web & CSS is a natural evolution. I see this "technology" or perhaps "terminology" becoming a seamless integration of old fashioned typography, paste up and grid based newsprint layouts with the current technologies of AJAX and CSS. In 2 years, we'll wonder what all the fuss was about! BTW, if you release your package as you describe above, I'll be the first to download it! Darren,

Your site is the first I’ve come across the term “grid based layouts”. But as an informational graphic artist for the Daily Collegian at Penn State (many, many years ago), the idea of the basic grid based layout being applied to web & CSS is a natural evolution.

I see this “technology” or perhaps “terminology” becoming a seamless integration of old fashioned typography, paste up and grid based newsprint layouts with the current technologies of AJAX and CSS.

In 2 years, we’ll wonder what all the fuss was about!

BTW, if you release your package as you describe above, I’ll be the first to download it!

]]> By: redneck http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2390 redneck Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:02:15 +0000 http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2390 wonderful designs! wonderful designs!

]]> By: Matt Dawson http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2389 Matt Dawson Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:36:53 +0000 http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2389 I couldn't agree with you more on this. Take what you can use from wherever you find it and run with it. Period. The debate is important and provides some good food for thought, but this one got weirdly personal really fast. In case you missed it, Jeff just pointed to a *fantastic* post about the difference between frameworks, libraries, and snippets, written by an experienced programmer. http://www.b-list.org/weblog/2007/nov/19/frameworks/ It confirms a hunch I've had since I first started reading about these CSS frameworks: Namely, 'framework' just isn't the right word for the set of tools that CSS designers are creating. I couldn’t agree with you more on this. Take what you can use from wherever you find it and run with it. Period. The debate is important and provides some good food for thought, but this one got weirdly personal really fast.

In case you missed it, Jeff just pointed to a *fantastic* post about the difference between frameworks, libraries, and snippets, written by an experienced programmer.

http://www.b-list.org/weblog/2007/nov/19/frameworks/

It confirms a hunch I’ve had since I first started reading about these CSS frameworks: Namely, ‘framework’ just isn’t the right word for the set of tools that CSS designers are creating.

]]> By: Darren http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2388 Darren Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:48:17 +0000 http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2388 "That is without mentioning that a CSS framework is useless without an accompanying XHTML “frameworkâ€?. Right - a whole other can of worms! Funny timing, but in the past week I'd been thinking about releasing my own "framework". The idea would be to package my baseline PSD file, CSS file and XHTML file together and release them for download, since it's been a large help to my own workflow. All the layer names in the PSD also match certain CSS classes (masthead, nav, footer) and are marked up accordingly in the XHTML file. I wouldn't expect anyone to necessarily use the files as is, but if enough people did the same thing it would be a great opportunity to check out each other's creative processes. “That is without mentioning that a CSS framework is useless without an accompanying XHTML “frameworkâ€?.

Right – a whole other can of worms!

Funny timing, but in the past week I’d been thinking about releasing my own “framework”. The idea would be to package my baseline PSD file, CSS file and XHTML file together and release them for download, since it’s been a large help to my own workflow. All the layer names in the PSD also match certain CSS classes (masthead, nav, footer) and are marked up accordingly in the XHTML file. I wouldn’t expect anyone to necessarily use the files as is, but if enough people did the same thing it would be a great opportunity to check out each other’s creative processes.

]]> By: Nathan Rice http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2387 Nathan Rice Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:05:44 +0000 http://www.darrenhoyt.com/2007/11/18/the-fuss-over-grids-and-css-frameworks/#comment-2387 Wow, God bless you for saying it!!! CSS isn't PHP ... period. It doesn't need a framework!!! A skeleton??? Maybe ... sure. I use 'em. Built 'em myself. But that's all it is ... a skeleton. Very basic layout stuff, with maybe a few styles as placeholders. But there is a big difference between frameworks for PHP, something that is VERY useful, and frameworks for design elements. Would anyone use a "framework" in Photoshop? Nope. That is without mentioning that a CSS framework is useless without an accompanying XHTML "framework". Yeah, you said it bro. Wow, God bless you for saying it!!!

CSS isn’t PHP … period. It doesn’t need a framework!!!

A skeleton??? Maybe … sure. I use ‘em. Built ‘em myself. But that’s all it is … a skeleton. Very basic layout stuff, with maybe a few styles as placeholders.

But there is a big difference between frameworks for PHP, something that is VERY useful, and frameworks for design elements. Would anyone use a “framework” in Photoshop? Nope.

That is without mentioning that a CSS framework is useless without an accompanying XHTML “framework”.

Yeah, you said it bro.

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